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Post by Old Badger on Jan 11, 2018 11:12:51 GMT -5
After months of promising that he would allow himself to be interviewed by Mueller, Trump yesterday reversed course: " We'll see" was as far as he would go. Usually, when he says that it turns out he means no. And just why would he not talk with Mueller or his staff if he has nothing to hide, as he insists? Well one reason is pretty obvious: he'd be speaking under oath, so vulnerable to a charge of perjury if he dissembles. Of course, if he's telling the truth about his relationships with Russia, he'd have nothing to worry about. But what if he's not? Then it's a Scylla or Charybdis choice: whether to steer into the shoals of admitted guilt or the eddy of felonious lying. What's a guy to do?
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Post by jon on Jan 11, 2018 13:35:11 GMT -5
Except possibly in very unusual circumstances it is foolhardy to talk to the FBI. They are very experienced in entrapment----do it every day---and have been more and more every day exposed as being without ethics. So maybe the propaganda industry will criticize Trump if he refuses to be entrapped & fights back?? Duh....for what would the media not attack Trump. who gives a shit? (fewer & fewer non-koolaid-drinkers every day) I suspect Mueller is now very sorry he took the gig---unless there is something substantial he can get on Trump or someone really close to Trump, the lead for which is admissible in court, and if there was anything like that I think we would have heard about it after > a year of digging by many in the swamp---it is hard to see a course that would preserve his reputation (quite possible totally false creation of the swamp) other than admitting there is nothing there, apologizing for having hired politically corrupt lawyers, and shutting it all down. Meantime it appears we are getting closer and closer to overwhelming, unquestionable, and public exposure of DOJ/FBI political corruption in the phony Russia, Russia, Russia propaganda campaign. Is anyone even trying to deny they used a known false document to get a FISA warrant? Pretty serious crime, to say nothing of the fact it makes any evidence Mueller might bring against anyone a ¨ fruit of the poisenous tree¨. Then ad in the potential exposure of Obama protection of MB/Hezbollah/Iranian terrorists (to say nothing of his gifting them with >$1B in US taxpayer $$) and I think we may be on the brink of writing the Obama ¨legacy¨ over the next couple months. Has anyone seen/heard from the clintons recently? I am told IRS might be looking at how the ¨foundation¨ justified paying for Chelsea's wedding as part of its charity actions. nypost.com/2016/11/06/chelsea-clinton-used-foundation-to-help-pay-for-wedding-emails/BTW I have met a few FBI agents but don't know any personally. I do suspect that many of them are honest people who believe in the Constitution, so by definition not Democrats, but that is clwearly not true of those in top level mngmnt positions under Obama. I also suspect that many of those honest on-the-ground LE people are ---now free from career reprisal from the corrupt dems---talking to the IG!!! Some justice soon to come to DOJ, I think. Watch for more demotions, retirements, resignations, and, I hope, a few prosecutions. How totally are Holder & Lynch , Comey & Mueller, insulated?
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Post by Old Badger on Jan 11, 2018 15:38:10 GMT -5
Except possibly in very unusual circumstances it is foolhardy to talk to the FBI. They are very experienced in entrapment----do it every day---and have been more and more every day exposed as being without ethics...Meantime it appears we are getting closer and closer to overwhelming, unquestionable, and public exposure of DOJ/FBI political corruption in the phony Russia, Russia, Russia propaganda campaign. You are a marvel, jon. Years of study and professional work to sharpen your mind, and you throw it all away to become part of the Murdoch Echo Chamber. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. So why are you doing it? As for the "substance" of your post: Yes, there is something wrong at the DOJ. It's called "Jeff Sessions" and it's a doozy of a problem.
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Post by Old Badger on Jan 16, 2018 16:05:15 GMT -5
Mueller's making news again: "Stephen K. Bannon, President Trump’s former chief strategist, was subpoenaed last week by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, to testify before a grand jury as part of the investigation into possible links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russia, according to a person with direct knowledge of the matter. The move marked the first time Mr. Mueller is known to have used a grand jury subpoena to seek information from a member of Mr. Trump’s inner circle." Gosh, right after Bannon was quoted as confirming a Russia-Trump connection, and then cut loose by the WH, Breitbart, and the Mercers. He's a man with nothing left to lose, always a dangerous breed. And then there's this: “By forcing someone to testify through a subpoena, you are providing the witness with cover because they can say, ‘I had no choice — I had to go in and testify about everything I knew,’” said Solomon L. Wisenberg, a prosecutor for the independent counsel that investigated Bill Clinton when he was president. EDIT: There's more: "The House Intelligence Committee issued a subpoena Tuesday to former White House chief strategist Stephen K. Bannon after he resisted answering a range of questions from investigators during a closed-door interview, frustrating members who are probing the Trump campaign’s alleged Russia ties, according to people familiar with the session. After Bannon’s day-long appearance before the committee, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), chairman of the panel, indicated to reporters that he personally issued a subpoena seeking to compel the former Trump strategist to cooperate... "Rep. Thomas J. Rooney of Florida, a leading Republican on the committee who was deputized to help run the panel’s Russia probe, said that questions about whether executive privilege applied were 'sort of dominating the day' as the panel tried to interview Bannon for details of what he knew of the Trump campaign’s dealings with Russian interests. Rooney suggested that Bannon refused to answer questions about events that took place before Trump was sworn into office. He also indicated that the panel was not inclined to accept that Bannon’s interactions with Trump in that period fell under executive privilege." Hmmm...If nothing happened, why the assertion of executive privilege? And how can Bannon assert it, since he's not the President? Oh, and when did executive privilege cover the period before the President is sworn in? Heck, even Nunes isn't that craven. Anyway, so now Darth Vader is under subpoena by both the Special Counsel and the House. That's a pretty rare distinction, lol.
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Post by Old Badger on Jan 17, 2018 19:00:11 GMT -5
"Stephen K. Bannon, President Trump’s former chief strategist, will be interviewed by investigators working for the special counsel in the Russia investigation instead of testifying before a grand jury, according to a person familiar with the matter, a sign that Mr. Bannon is cooperating with the inquiry. The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, had subpoenaed Mr. Bannon to appear before a grand jury this week. But Mr. Bannon has agreed to cooperate with Mr. Mueller’s investigation and will be interviewed in the less formal setting of the special counsel’s offices in downtown Washington.. "Mr. Bannon is still under subpoena from the House Intelligence Committee, which took the unusual step of subpoenaing him as he was being interviewed by its members on Tuesday. He had refused to answer several questions about Mr. Trump, saying the White House had told him to assert executive privilege. Committee members of both parties were angered by Mr. Bannon’s lack of cooperation during his 10 hours of testimony, and Democrats said that the White House had used executive privilege as a “gag order” to stop Mr. Bannon from talking about the president. The lawmakers would like Mr. Bannon to return to Capitol Hill on Thursday to respond to the questions he refused to answer... "Also on Wednesday, a status hearing for George Papadopoulos, a former Trump campaign adviser who has pleaded guilty to lying to the F.B.I., was postponed for up to 90 days. Mr. Papadopoulos is cooperating with Mr. Mueller’s inquiry while awaiting sentencing. " www.nytimes.com/2018/01/17/us/politics/steve-bannon-mueller-special-counsel-investigation-interview.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-newsSo, Bannon's now a cooperating witness, and why not? There's no evidence that he did anything illegal, but his own comments indicate he thinks others (hello, Don Jr.) did. Now that he's been tossed under the bus by Trump Inc. what's the guy got to lose by cooperating? By contrast, not cooperating carries some legal risk to him. It's an asymmetrical situation, and Mueller's an expert at exploiting those. The delay in the Papadopoulos hearing could mean that Mueller's milking more info than expected, or that he's leaving Mr. P dangling in hopes of doing so. In any case, these steps show the investigation is alive and well, no matter what Hannity says.
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Post by Old Badger on Jan 18, 2018 17:37:19 GMT -5
McLatchy News has a potentially explosive account: "The FBI is investigating whether a top Russian banker with ties to the Kremlin illegally funneled money to the National Rifle Association to help Donald Trump win the presidency, two sources familiar with the matter have told McClatchy. FBI counterintelligence investigators have focused on the activities of Alexander Torshin, the deputy governor of Russia’s central bank who is known for his close relationships with both Russian President Vladimir Putin and the NRA, the sources said. It is illegal to use foreign money to influence federal elections... "...the NRA reported spending a record $55 million on the 2016 elections, including $30 million to support Trump – triple what the group devoted to backing Republican Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential race. Most of that was money was spent by an arm of the NRA that is not required to disclose its donors. Two people with close connections to the powerful gun lobby said its total election spending actually approached or exceeded $70 million. The reporting gap could be explained by the fact that independent groups are not required to reveal how much they spend on Internet ads or field operations, including get-out-the-vote efforts. .. "Torshin, a leading figure in Putin’s party, has been implicated in money laundering by judicial authorities in Spain, as Bloomberg News first revealed in 2016. Spanish investigators alleged in an almost 500-page internal report that Torshin, who was then a senator, capitalized on his government role to assist mobsters laundering funds through Spanish properties and banks, Bloomberg reported www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article195231139.html#storylink=cpyOh, a perfect Trifecta: Putin + Trump + NRA! All connected through the same money-laundering crook. Well, they're all crooks, so there's that. No wonder Trump's disparaging the FBI.
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Post by goldenbucky on Jan 19, 2018 9:21:27 GMT -5
McLatchy News has a potentially explosive account: "...the NRA reported spending a record $55 million on the 2016 elections, including $30 million to support Trump – triple what the group devoted to backing Republican Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential race. I guess Putin and his oligarchs didn't want a candidate who regarded Russia as "our number one geopolitical foe" in 2016 and were willing to spend money to push a compromised candidate who would take the heat off. From the Putin perspective, I suppose the NRA is a good vehicle for this, given the political protection it receives. Our post-Citizens United election laws are the icing on the cake.
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Post by Old Badger on Jan 19, 2018 11:04:01 GMT -5
There's more to this story, gb:"On Thursday afternoon, the House Intelligence Committee released the transcript of its interview with Glenn Simpson, one of the founders of the research firm Fusion GPS. (The transcript of Simpson’s interview with the Senate was released last week.) In it, Jackie Speier, Democrat of California, asks Simpson about Russia’s interest in the N.R.A. Simpson replied that it appeared that the Russians had “infiltrated” the N.R.A. He mentioned Torshin and a woman named Maria Butina, whom McClatchy describes as 'Torshin’s 'protégée.'... Torshin helped create a Russian gun-rights group called Right to Bear Arms, and Butina runs it. The purpose of the group is ambiguous. Gun laws in Russia are strict, and if people close to Putin actually wanted to change them, creating a group alluding to America’s Second Amendment seems like a weird way to do it... "As McClatchy reported, Erickson — the author of the 'Kremlin Connection' email — and Butina set up a limited liability company together in 2016. Erickson told McClatchy that the company was founded to provide Butina with money for her graduate studies, should she need it. That, noted McClatchy, is 'an unusual way to use an L.L.C.”' Here’s another way L.L.C.s could be used: as an intermediary between foreign agents and tax-exempt organizations that are not required by law to disclose their donors, often called dark money groups...Of all the so-called dark money groups involved in the 2016 election, none spent more than the N.R.A." Lots of dots, and lots of lines connecting them. Tick-tock.
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Post by Old Badger on Jan 23, 2018 12:58:31 GMT -5
Mueller quietly interviewed Jeff Sessions last week, the first Cabinet member to be asked questions in the investigation. Presumably it was a "What did the A-G know and when did he know it?" kind of interview, including both the campaign contacts with Russia and the effort to stop the investigation, specifically by firing Comey, an subsequently trying to have other FBI officials removed from the investigation. Sessions's lawyer issued a "no comment" on the testimony. Pretty soon Mueller will be zeroing in on the Trump family, including the Don. link
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Post by Old Badger on Jan 25, 2018 11:28:26 GMT -5
The story thus far:"If you block out much of the noise that has surrounded the Russia investigation and focus on certain public information, you can see the outline of a concerted effort to mislead federal officials." We now know, because he admitted it, that Flynn lied under oath when he denied meeting with the Russians to discuss the campaign. We also know from court documents and emails that Deputy National Security Advisor K. T. McFarland was lying when she told Congress she was unaware of those meetings, even though she had been coordinating about them with Flynn before and afterwards. And we know that Jeff Sessions and Trump Jr. were lying when they testified as to the substance of those meetings because they subsequently had completely different memories. Why all the lying under oath, a federal crime? Here's one plausible explanation: "Once the Trump inner circle decided to keep telling the media there had been no campaign contacts with Russians whatsoever, that categorical denial may have been the easiest line to maintain. The effort to mislead the public would then be reinforced by an effort to mislead the federal investigators. That’s an easier step to imagine given Mr. Trump’s deep distrust of the intelligence community and his view of their willingness to leak to the press. "How could campaign officials, or the president himself, expect to get away with any such scheme, especially when encouraging others to commit perjury is a serious federal offense [even if they don't actually commit perjury]? Maybe they didn’t anticipate a full investigation. The president admitted that he felt if Mr. Sessions had only held on, the attorney general would have shut down the Russia investigation: 'If Jeff Sessions didn’t recuse himself, we wouldn’t even be talking about this subject.' Well, surprise. We are talking about it. And so will witnesses brought in by Mr. Mueller, who has shown his willingness to prosecute four former campaign officials, in each case for making false statements to federal authorities. "It will not take much for the special counsel to get to the bottom of how far the president and his associates went to cover up their Russian contacts. With Mr. Flynn, Mr. Papadopoulos and now Steve Bannon cooperating, if and when the time comes for Mr. Trump’s interview, Mr. Mueller’s team will be well prepared to ask the president about his own knowledge and involvement." Howard Baker's questions echo over the decades: What did the President know and when did he know it? Is Trump is prepared to commit perjury, or will he do what he usually does: throw all his underlings into the muck, while lifting his own skirts to keep them dry?
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Post by Old Badger on Jan 29, 2018 14:38:55 GMT -5
The GOP effort to derail the Trump-Russia investigation, and turn the United States into a banana republic, continues: " Andrew G. McCabe has stepped down as the F.B.I.’s deputy director, a move that was widely expected as he has repeatedly come under fire from Republicans in Congress and from President Trump. Mr. McCabe made his intentions known to colleagues on Monday, an American official said. He will immediately go on leave and plans to retire when he becomes eligible in mid-March." "A secret, highly contentious Republican memo reveals that Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein approved an application to extend surveillance of a former Trump campaign associate shortly after taking office last spring, according to three people familiar with it. The renewal shows that the Justice Department under President Trump saw reason to believe that the associate, Carter Page, was acting as a Russian agent. But the reference to Mr. Rosenstein’s actions in the memo — a much-disputed document that paints the investigation into Russian election meddling as tainted from the start — indicates that Republicans may be moving to seize on his role as they seek to undermine the inquiry." This pattern of attacks in individuals and institutions of government for doing their routine jobs is the same pattern used by autocrats everywhere, including Russia, Turkey, and Venezuela these days. Trump's a would-be dictator; congressional Republicans are his enablers.
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Post by Old Badger on Jan 29, 2018 22:27:36 GMT -5
In what has to be the most dishonorable action undertaken by the House in years, the GOP voted today to release to the public a three-page memo they've written attacking the FBI. The FBI! This from the party of "law and order" and all that BS. And they did this despite pleas from Jeff Sessions's Department of Justice not to do so. Really, these guys simply do not understand democracy or good governance. They're just a win-at-any-cost cabal without a scintilla of interest in what's good for the country. All they're doing here is muddying the water on Trump's ties to Russia in hopes of preserving their majority for another two years. The damage they're doing is of no interest to them. Thugs in action
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Post by Old Badger on Jan 31, 2018 13:57:15 GMT -5
The FBI fights back:"The FBI spoke out forcefully Wednesday against a GOP memo criticizing the bureau’s use of surveillance authorities, challenging the classified document’s accuracy as the White House and congressional Republicans are expected to make its contents public. 'As expressed during our initial review, we have grave concerns about the material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy,’' the FBI said in a statement. "FBI Director Christopher A. Wray and Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein went to the White House on Monday, meeting with Chief of Staff John F. Kelly with hopes of preventing the memo’s release. That private lobbying effort now has morphed into a public fight — a rare and remarkable standoff between the White House and the FBI over surveillance powers and politics. In its statement, the bureau also said it carefully follows the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which provides a legal framework for national security investigations." What's really going on here? Well, that's not really a secret: The WH wants to stop the Mueller investigation, or at least muddy the waters so much that if it finds any wrongdoing the results will seem politically-inspired. One way to achieve the former is to force out Wray and, especially, Rosenstein and replace them with more pliable appointees. Rosenstein's replacement is key because the WH Counsel already has threatened to resign if Trump fires Mueller directly, as he tried to do in June. And if that doesn't work they're going to make this a story about how the FBI (yeah, there's a hotbed of liberalism if ever there was one) and the DOJ are conspiring to bring down Trump. Don't take my word for it; Hannity and others at Fox already are calling the Mueller investigation an "attempted coup" in anticipation of a criminal report. American politics hasn't been at such a low level since...well, at least the Nixon Administration, but perhaps much longer. And it's going to get worse, alas.
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Post by Old Badger on Feb 1, 2018 16:25:39 GMT -5
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Post by Old Badger on Feb 2, 2018 11:13:26 GMT -5
Apparently, the GOP has never read up on the downfall of Richard M. Nixon. They should, especially as it concerns the FBI. In May 1972 J. Edgar Hoover died. He'd led the FBI and its predecessor since 1924, and was known to have files on Presidents, Members of Congress, and Cabinet Secretaries, among many others, that he used to intimidate his bosses at DOJ and the WH. Nixon installed L. Patrick Gray as interim director. Six weeks later came the break-in at the DNC Headquarters that kicked off the Watergate Scandal. As the scandal unfolded, Nixon tried to discredit federal investigators, including the FBI, much as Trump is doing now, although with a lot more subtlety. He counted on Gray, who had no previous ties to the FBI, to be pliable, and for the most part he was. What Nixon underestimated, however, was the extent to which FBI careerists were incensed by the insinuation that they were not acting professionally. More than most government agencies, the FBI has a strong sense of professionalism and dedication to their mission, and an us-against-the-world mentality. They could not take Nixon on publicly, but they did find another way. Deputy Director Mark Felt, an FBI lifer, began helping the Washington Post by providing information and leads that undermined Nixon's defense at every turn, until he finally was forced to resign. This time, the Bureau apparently is ready to defend itself when the GOP releases their disgraceful memo later today. Trump fired a two-tweet volley at them this morning, accusing them of being biased in favor of the Democrats. Ironically, the FBI is one of the most Republican-leaning agencies in government, but never mind: Trump demands absolute loyalty to himself, not to the Constitution or the rule of law, much less truth. Going to war with the FBI never has worked before, and is unlikely to work now. That Trump is risking all on what amounts to a Hail Mary pass sends a clear signal that there's a lot of "there there" in the Russia-Trump investigation. It will come out: FBI agents will see to it. Some interesting commentary on this: www.nytimes.com/2018/02/01/opinion/trump-fbi-winner-justice.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-regionwww.washingtonpost.com/opinions/messing-with-the-fbi-trump-doesnt-know-history/2018/02/01/53f94f62-0788-11e8-94e8-e8b8600ade23_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-d%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.e38b6c697175www.nytimes.com/2018/02/01/opinion/dont-believe-the-liberal-fbi.html
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Post by Old Badger on Feb 2, 2018 11:36:24 GMT -5
Former Rep. Joe Walsh:I served in Congress with Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.). Based on my experience working with him, nothing about the way he’s behaving now as chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence — overseeing part of the so-called Russia-Trump investigation — is particularly shocking. The Nunes I knew was a purely partisan animal. When it comes to exercising good judgment and discharging his duties in service of the Constitution, he’s just not up to the task... The congressional intelligence committees traditionally function as some of the least partisan committees — as they should. Oversight for security threats to this country is too great a responsibility to let committee business devolve into finger-pointing and score-settling along party lines, but that’s exactly where the level of discourse has gone under Nunes’s “leadership.” He’s not searching for truth, he’s running interference for the White House, abdicating his role as a member of a coequal branch of government, dragging his fellow committee members down with him and exposing House leadership as ineffectual and foolish... Some issues have to be partisan. But in this case, we’re not talking about lowering taxes, getting rid of the individual mandate or clamping down on immigration — all good things that Trump can be proud of. No, here, Nunes is at risk of turning what should be a nonpartisan issue — a foreign government trying to interfere in our election — into a game. The president, and the country, are being poorly served. My Republican colleagues would be screaming bloody murder if Russia, or any foreign government, was suspected of helping Hillary Clinton become president. If Chairman Nunes can’t lead them out of this sad [sic] of hypocrisy, it means he’s putting party over country. I’ll be disappointed. But not surprised.
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Post by buckybasser on Feb 2, 2018 11:51:20 GMT -5
If leftists in Justice and the FBI obtained a warrant from the FISA Court to surveille a political opponent using fake Democrat Party "opposition research" as the justification for the warrant...
That would be a much bigger political scandal than Watergate - and NOT EVEN CLOSE for thinking people. We should see leftists going to jail in droves.
We shall see... Tick-tock... Tick-tock...
>O
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Post by Old Badger on Feb 2, 2018 12:06:27 GMT -5
If leftists in Justice and the FBI obtained a warrant from the FISA Court to surveille a political opponent using fake Democrat Party "opposition research" as the justification for the warrant... Quit denying you're a Trumpist. You left your Libertarian Membership Card at the door when you walked into his House of Lies. Just be honest and own up to it, already.
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Post by Old Badger on Feb 2, 2018 12:09:36 GMT -5
Roger Cohen:President Trump’s most significant, and ominous, achievement in his first year in office is the corruption of the Republic. I don’t mean that he has succeeded in destroying the checks and balances on which American freedom rests. I mean that he has so soiled the discourse that a kind of numbness has set in, an exhaustion of outrage that allows him to proceed with the unthinkable. The greatest danger from a man so unerring in his detection of human weakness, so attuned to the thrill of cruelty, so aware of the manipulative powers of entertainment, so unrelenting in his disregard for truth, so contemptuous of ethics and culture, so attracted to blood and soil, was always that he would use the immense powers of his office to drag Americans down with him into the vortex. Trump is succeeding in this. He is having his way, for all the investigative vigor of the free press he derides, for all the honor of the judiciary that has pushed back against his attempts to stain with bigotry the law of the land. Slowly but surely, the president is getting people to shrug. The appalling becomes excusable, the heinous becomes debatable, the outrageous becomes comical, lies become fibs, spite becomes banal, and hymns to American might become cause for giddy chants of national greatness... Trump has lowered expectations. He has inured people to the thread of violence and meanness lurking in almost every utterance; or worse, he has started to make them relish it. He has habituated Americans to buffoonery and lies. He calls himself a “genius.” If so, his genius resides in the darkest realms of the human psyche.
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Post by leftylarry on Feb 2, 2018 13:08:20 GMT -5
So, the truth comes out. Obama and Holder weaponized the DOJ and FBI against Trump before the election and monitored his campaign with FISA warrants gotten with a paper commissioned by the CLInton campaign that had not a word of truth in it but they used it to illegally monitor Trump's campaign. This is ten times worse than ANYTHING that NIXON did in Watergate. My god, these Leftists could care less about this country, their hatred of Western Civilization and the Caucasian race especially is beyond the pale.
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Post by Old Badger on Feb 2, 2018 14:17:13 GMT -5
So, the truth comes out. Obama and Holder weaponized the DOJ and FBI against Trump before the election and monitored his campaign with FISA warrants gotten with a paper commissioned by the CLInton campaign that had not a word of truth in it but they used it to illegally monitor Trump's campaign. This is ten times worse than ANYTHING that NIXON did in Watergate. My god, these Leftists could care less about this country, their hatred of Western Civilization and the Caucasian race especially is beyond the pale. LOL! The Nunes memo is a joke, rehashing Faux News talking points without adding any new information at all. What's not so funny is that racist last sentence in your post. EDIT: Even the WH recognizes what a cup of weak tea this memo is: Republicans hyped the document as damning evidence of a deep-state conspiracy against Trump then dumped it on the Friday afternoon before the Super Bowl. Even before the release, there were multiple reports that indicated the White House knew the memo had been oversold. The Washington Post's Philip Rucker, Ashley Parker and Josh Dawsey reported that White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly on Wednesday “shared with the president his opinion: that releasing the memo would not risk national security but that the document was not as compelling as some of its advocates had promised Trump.” Axios's Jonathan Swan reported that “inside the Trump administration, sources who've been briefed on the Nunes memo expect it will be underwhelming and not the 'slam dunk' document it's been hyped up to be.” The New York Times's Maggie Haberman tweeted that the prospect of a flop was “more than fear for a number of folks who have been told of its contents.” If the memo were as explosive as advertised, Republicans could have made it public earlier in the week or held it until the beginning of next week to maximize exposure. The Friday-afternoon news dump is an age-old strategy to minimize attention. Fridays before holidays or major news events provide especially good cover.
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Post by badgerjon66 on Feb 2, 2018 17:45:25 GMT -5
So, have you actually read the memo yet, OB, or avoiding truth by taking CNN description?
You don't think it significant that Comey, Rosenstein, and McCabe (plus others) signed FISA warrant applications based on ¨evidence¨ they knew was both false and a partisan operation? IIRC defrauding the court is a felony. Then look at connections between Ohr, his wife, Fusion, and Steele. By all means, bring on the Dem rebutal! I suspect it will be like a DACA deal---something they want to whine & shout about but will never actually allow to happen happen. You are going to have to close your eyes & ears very very tight to avoid truth on this one. But you have a role model in Mueller he apparently has remained unaware of a mountain of evidence also. The only people wanting to minimize attention are dems---both those running the media and those elected. BTW I find it interesting that both Lynch and Brazille have been careful to isolate themselves form this. So far.
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Post by Old Badger on Feb 3, 2018 11:48:25 GMT -5
So, have you actually read the memo yet, OB, or avoiding truth by taking CNN description? You don't think it significant that Comey, Rosenstein, and McCabe (plus others) signed FISA warrant applications based on ¨evidence¨ they knew was both false and a partisan operation? IIRC defrauding the court is a felony. Then look at connections between Ohr, his wife, Fusion, and Steele. By all means, bring on the Dem rebutal! I suspect it will be like a DACA deal---something they want to whine & shout about but will never actually allow to happen happen. You are going to have to close your eyes & ears very very tight to avoid truth on this one. But you have a role model in Mueller he apparently has remained unaware of a mountain of evidence also. The only people wanting to minimize attention are dems---both those running the media and those elected. BTW I find it interesting that both Lynch and Brazille have been careful to isolate themselves form this. So far. Yes, I actually did read it. The "lie" here is your claim that the basis for the warrant was the Steele memo. That might have been excusable a couple of weeks ago, but we now know that the basis for the whole Trump-Russia investigation was a referral from the Australian intelligence services, based on comments by Papadapoulus, not the memo. And the investigation of this guy actually dates to 2014, a year before Trump even announced he was running--so either these plotters were very prescient or there actually was no plot at all. Everyone not addicted to Faux News understands that the sole purpose of the Nunes paper is distraction. The idea is to fire up useful idiots (decide whether you fall into this category) by inventing a "left-wing cabal" inside the one of the most conservative institutions of government at a time it was under the direction of a life-long Republican. The whole conspiracy theory being propagated is so ludicrous that it's hard to believe any sentient person could believe it, but I guess there are credulous folks who will buy anything. Alas, the price here is the undermining of the nation's premier law-enforcement organization, but then what does that mean to a guy who's also undermined our national security and intelligence agencies, all for the sole purpose of preventing an investigation into attacks on our political system by his buddy--and potential business partner--Vlad? Imagine for a moment that this was Hillary doing the exact same things. You'd be howling for her head. Oh, I forgot: you were doing that over non-existent "crimes" already. Sorry for the lapse.
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Post by goldenbucky on Feb 3, 2018 12:56:36 GMT -5
So, have you actually read the memo yet, OB, or avoiding truth by taking CNN description? You don't think it significant that Comey, Rosenstein, and McCabe (plus others) signed FISA warrant applications based on ¨evidence¨ they knew was both false and a partisan operation? IIRC defrauding the court is a felony. Then look at connections between Ohr, his wife, Fusion, and Steele. By all means, bring on the Dem rebutal! I suspect it will be like a DACA deal---something they want to whine & shout about but will never actually allow to happen happen. You are going to have to close your eyes & ears very very tight to avoid truth on this one. But you have a role model in Mueller he apparently has remained unaware of a mountain of evidence also. The only people wanting to minimize attention are dems---both those running the media and those elected. BTW I find it interesting that both Lynch and Brazille have been careful to isolate themselves form this. So far. That liberal rag, The National Review states: "Ironically enough, the memo in fact confirms the necessity of the Special Counsel Robert Mueller. Mueller insulated the investigation from the problematic elements of the FBI, disciplined a biased agent (Strzok), and is conducting an investigation that now includes copious amounts of alarming evidence gained independently of the memo — including the evidence that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort met with Russians in what was described in an email as a Russian plan to help Trump defeat Hillary Clinton."
The FISA application was a much larger document including evidence that predates the dossier, was accepted by a judge, and was apparently renewed, indicating that the initial warrant found something. Inject partisanship into this if you want but with Republicans running the investigation, Sessions standing behind Wray yesterday (both Trump appointees), Trey Gowdy voicing his confidence in Mueller, and the chorus of non-Trumpist Republicans calling BS, this pathetic memo ruse looks like a fizzled bomb in a Republican civil war for what remains of the party's soul.
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Post by Old Badger on Feb 4, 2018 6:47:13 GMT -5
Inject partisanship into this if you want but with Republicans running the investigation, Sessions standing behind Wray yesterday (both Trump appointees), Trey Gowdy voicing his confidence in Mueller, and the chorus of non-Trumpist Republicans calling BS, this pathetic memo ruse looks like a fizzled bomb in a Republican civil war for what remains of the party's soul. That's a great observation, gb. This memo is not intended to convince anyone, only to establish a "which side are you on" among Republicans in upcoming primaries. The Trumpists are taking the FBI and DOJ hostage in this internal fight.
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Post by badgerjon66 on Feb 4, 2018 12:14:02 GMT -5
OB. Can you please explain just what parts of the Nunes memo constitute a lie? Do you have no concerns about the FBIś apparent failure to inform the FISA court re: the reliability of Steele & his opposition document, or that it was funded by Hillary? When do you predict the Dem rebuttal? Letś just open up all the underlying documents & see who is lying. Any concern at all that the Mueller witch hunt was originated by Comeyś criminal leaking of classified information and he has now declared his buddy to be his counsel, thereby trying to shield him from telling the truth about it. www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-01-03%20CEG%20to%20DOJ%20(Classification%20of%20Comey%20Memos).pdf Lotś more interesting questions. Dem media is frantic to shut up those pesky Congress members exercising their Constitutional oversight authority, are they not? Tiny tip of political corruption iceberg exposed so far. But Hell, I guess 1-1/2 years of digging for evidence of Trump:Russia collusion (whatever that is---it is not criminal) and finding none should not discourage a determined coup attempt. Very dangerous to our freedom that the FBI has apparently been leading the coup, but signs now that parts of intel community even worse.
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Post by Old Badger on Feb 5, 2018 6:15:01 GMT -5
OB. Can you please explain just what parts of the Nunes memo constitute a lie? Do you have no concerns about the FBIś apparent failure to inform the FISA court re: the reliability of Steele & his opposition document, or that it was funded by Hillary? When do you predict the Dem rebuttal? Letś just open up all the underlying documents & see who is lying. Any concern at all that the Mueller witch hunt was originated by Comeyś criminal leaking of classified information and he has now declared his buddy to be his counsel, thereby trying to shield him from telling the truth about it. www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-01-03%20CEG%20to%20DOJ%20(Classification%20of%20Comey%20Memos).pdf Lotś more interesting questions. Dem media is frantic to shut up those pesky Congress members exercising their Constitutional oversight authority, are they not? Tiny tip of political corruption iceberg exposed so far. But Hell, I guess 1-1/2 years of digging for evidence of Trump:Russia collusion (whatever that is---it is not criminal) and finding none should not discourage a determined coup attempt. Very dangerous to our freedom that the FBI has apparently been leading the coup, but signs now that parts of intel community even worse. Here's what I actually said: "The 'lie' here is your claim that the basis for the warrant was the Steele memo." That is simply false. And that's why the FBI, DOJ, House Dems, and some Senate Republicans tried to stop Nunes from issuing his memo. Your statement that there's been no finding of Trump-Russia collusion during the election is laughable on its face. What cave have you been living in? There already have been two guilty pleas and two more indictments related to lying about such collusion, after all. And we can be damned sure that Mueller has uncovered a lot more than that. Honestly, all you have been doing is repeating Trump's stock talking points. When will you engage your own brain?
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Post by goldenbucky on Feb 5, 2018 20:12:53 GMT -5
Do you have no concerns about the FBIś apparent failure to inform the FISA court re: the reliability of Steele & his opposition document, or that it was funded by Hillary? Just out today:"Republican leaders are acknowledging that the FBI disclosed the political origins of a private dossier the bureau cited in an application to surveil former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, undermining a controversial GOP memo released Friday and fueling Democratic demands to declassify more information about the bureau’s actions." These guys are playing you. “ The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. … How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!” - Mark Twain, Autobiographical dictation, 2 December 1906.
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Post by Old Badger on Feb 5, 2018 21:01:22 GMT -5
Indeed, gb, the Committee now has voted to release the Dems' counternote. Nunes has compromised himself beyond redemption with this stunt.
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Post by Old Badger on Feb 6, 2018 0:24:09 GMT -5
So, Trump is preparing to renege on his promise to be interviewed by Mueller under oath. Now, we get the WH leak that his lawyers have advised him not to be interviewed at all, which is the predicate for his refusing to do so. More and more Trump behaves like a Mafia Don. EDIT: It's interesting why the lawyers don't want Trump talking to Mueller: "His lawyers are concerned that the president, who has a history of making false statements and contradicting himself, could be charged with lying to investigators." link That's right: Trump's lawyers already are anticipating that he's going to lie to Mueller. Now, just what would he lie about that would put him into legal jeopardy? I mean, if there was "no collusion with Russia" and he didn't talk with the Russians who showed up at Trump Tower or participate in a golden shower romp in Moscow (that's now being held over his head by Putin like a Sword of Damocles), just what might Mueller ask that would provoke a lie from Trump?
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