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Post by bigapplebucky on Dec 12, 2015 20:46:44 GMT -5
NY TimesThe Times had an interesting piece on fact checking in the December 11 edition. Highest false percentage - Ben Carson at 84%. Most honest, Bernie Sanders at 54% and least dishonest, Bill Clinton at 24%. By Percent dishonest:
Ben Carson 84% (4% truthful) Donald J. Trump 76% (7% truthful) Ted Cruz 66% Dick Cheney 59% Rick Santorum 55% Carly Fiorina 50% Marco Rubio 40% Lindsey Graham 34% (Only Republican with no Pants on Fire! ratings) Chris Christie 32% Rand Paul 32% Joseph R. Biden 32% Jeb Bush 32% Bernie Sanders 28% (No Pants on Fire! ratings) (54% truthful) Hillary Clinton 28% (51% truthful) Barack Obama 26% Martin O'Malley 25% (No Pants on Fire! ratings) Bill Clinton 24% (50% truthful) Sadly, the most truthful person was at just 54%. Voters need to hold politicians feet to the fire better. Even sadder, the more they lie, the better they do in the GOP polls.
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Post by munertl on Dec 13, 2015 8:39:29 GMT -5
Cue the liberal bias of NYT card....
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Post by bigapplebucky on Dec 22, 2015 16:31:15 GMT -5
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Post by bigapplebucky on Dec 22, 2015 17:38:31 GMT -5
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Post by bigapplebucky on Dec 24, 2015 14:40:18 GMT -5
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Post by muddydove on Dec 26, 2015 10:15:01 GMT -5
Voters -- of all stripes, it seems -- simply do not care if "their" candidate tells the truth or lies. Hard to understand, unless you consider that it's somewhat like war. After WWII began, for instance, it wouldn't have made any difference if FDR had lied about everything under the sun and if Hitler had been a paragon of truth-telling; we were still going to support our American cause.
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Post by Old Badger on Dec 26, 2015 18:18:19 GMT -5
Voters -- of all stripes, it seems -- simply do not care if "their" candidate tells the truth or lies. Hard to understand, unless you consider that it's somewhat like war. After WWII began, for instance, it wouldn't have made any difference if FDR had lied about everything under the sun and if Hitler had been a paragon of truth-telling; we were still going to support our American cause.
The more fundamental problem is that we no longer agree on what "facts" are in general, and therefore can't agree on what "the facts" are in any given case. Essentially, we've decided that "facts" are just political opinions, so have no independent legitimacy. This is dangerous in a self-governing democracy because it undermines the legitimacy of our political institutions. Ben Franklin announced in 1787, "A Republic, if you can keep it." It's a more poignant comment than at any time since the Civil War.
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Post by munertl on Dec 28, 2015 17:21:01 GMT -5
Politifact pretty much sucks at fact checking.
Picking Trump's misstatements a the lie of the year is weak. As if he is any worse than the rest of the republican field. If they were going to be unable to pick something, rather than single out Trump, why ignore Carson, Fiorina, Cruz, and the other compulsive liars on that stage
I think the lie of the year was the planned parenthood videos and subsequent lies about that, which directly led to a mass shooting in Colorado.
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Post by goldenbucky on Dec 28, 2015 21:13:34 GMT -5
Picking Trump's misstatements a the lie of the year is weak....I think the lie of the year was the planned parenthood videos and subsequent lies about that, which directly led to a mass shooting in Colorado. Good point about the PP video. Trump's lies certainly gave people plenty to talk about but the video stimulated action (not just talk). Not only did the video motivate a terrorist attack, it significantly shaped congressional legislation when Repub holdouts (based on demands about PP) forced their leadership to work with congressional Dems on the budget. There may be more but that's already quite a resume.
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